Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? Iam finding that more and moreChristians have to be told this. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. where those who recognize the deception and want to speak up, will have a place to go. Paul is quite clearthat people who preach another gospel are accursed, or damned, and that we are not to partner with them. They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. Click here I would suggest beginning with the article entitled Jill in the Pulpit (youll have to scroll down a bit to get to it). 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own, It Should Happen Rarely, But It Shouldnt Be Ignored | The Outspoken TULIP, Is Priscilla Shirer false teacher? Next, youre not going to see an article like this from TGC or Challies. Throughout Read 2 CHRONICLES 34:1-33 [1] Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. And this faith is . This is a very good reason not to sit under their teaching. She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). It will be called the good shepherd calls. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. If you wouldnt follow a male pastor or Bible teacher who was open and unrepentant about committing adultery or shoplifting or getting plowed every weekend, why would you follow any female Bible teacher who preaches to and instructs men? And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. That, plus being a faithful member of a doctrinally sound church and being taught the Word every week is the best way to learn the truth of Scripture and grow in Christ. I dont follow TGC any more. ), The Treasure You Already Are | Priscilla Shirer | [at Joyce Meyers] Love Life Womens Conference 2013, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why Christine Caine Is at the Top of Her List at the Christian Post, Priscilla Shirer recommends Joyce Meyer, Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, etc., Bible studies on her blog at Going Beyond, Priscilla Shirer speaks at Joyce Meyers womens conference alongside false teachers Joyce Meyer, Lisa Harper, and Sarah Jakes Roberts (T.D. read more, Scripture: Thank you, Michelle! and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. The New Testament knows nothing of a Christian whos satisfied just to escape hell. But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. Opening Prayer. Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. On October 16, 2016, Priscilla and her husband, children, and mother were in attendance at T.D. Its a complete waste of time. I thought Jesus used parables as a means of illustrating profound, divine truths. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. Lots of information about those online and at http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com and Berean Research. Id be interested, too! Also, Lisa is doing the Women of Joy tour with Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, Ann Voskamp, Lauren Daigle, etc. My co-leader read your thoughts about Priscilla and I presented your views to the members of our study. 2. Pastors dont read LifeWay studies or pay attention to the false teaching crowd, for the most part. Finally, I agree we should seek out credible sources when reading news reports and things like that where were called upon to simply believe what were being told, but thats not the case here. Im pretty sure some of our ladies are going to ask me where the evidence is that she was purposely teaching scripture to men. Hillsong and Steven Furticks Elevation Church are two huge red flags on her itinerary. Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. Thats a rare find these days. I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. September 1, 2002 If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. There is no passage of Scripture that says its OK for a woman to preach to, teach, or hold authority over men in the gathered body of believers as long as she has permission from her pastor or husband. If youve poked around the blog a bit, you might have noticed that we just started a new Wednesday Bible study on the book of Colossians. I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. Mark 10:46-53, Denomination: CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. Introduction They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. 2:57- Do you know that of the original two million Jewish people only two actually ever made it? After all, Scripture teaches that Scripture is sufficient. Plus, she has a Bible and supposedly knows it well enough to teach it. There are still some good, solid blogs over there (such as Kevin DeYoungs and Erik Raymonds), and they frequently put out helpful, doctrinally solid articles, but Ive chosen to use other sources instead. read more, Scripture: Go beyond what's fair. Defining moments, we all have them. We have many of these moments through out our physical lives. I think youll also find my article Is She a False Teacher? In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. Are they guiding and leading a flock (a church)? I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. There are two ways in which living in Christ helps us live beyond our fears: knowing that He is completely trustworthy, and doing as He calls us to do. I can always use more people praying for me. It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. (Edited to add- After I posted this comment, I noticed your comment was addressed to Seth Dunn, not to me. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. All of the resources and links Ive included are from credible sources (The disclaimer at the top of the list simply means I have not read everything ever written by every single resource Ive listed. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. Neil Richardson has proposed that instead of getting back to the Bible we should go forward with the Bible. Furthermore, if this is a disingenuous comment/questions, you are being deceitful and displaying ungodly character and you need to repent. It is as old as the Scriptures themselves. - Jonah didnt smell good. If it were, Paul, Jude, Peter, and even Jesus would be guilty of that sin. Although that interpretation of the text is a possibility, being consistent with the rest of Scripture, it is by no means certain. Id recommend starting with Rock Your Role FAQs #11, then moving on to Jill in the Pulpit. Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. 3. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. This is how people learn and grow in their faith. I think the best reward for the reader is to take all those views as complementary and related being parts of the same whole system of interpretation. A. Your objection is most likely answered here. She did indeed build the doctrine of theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pew on her eisegetical handling of Scripture as I explained in that section. But, yes, sometimes I do offer to send someone Im talking to (face to face) links to my articles, other peoples articles, books, sermons, etc., if theyd like to study an issue more. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective. I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). She also teaches false doctrine (things that either are at odds with Scripture or arent in Scripture at all) and partners with other false teachers (people who teach false doctrine). Im so happy for you that you have a discerning pastor. In fact, the Bible says the opposite. read more, Scripture: THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO AN ANONYMOUS CHRISTIAN WOMAN WHO APPEARS TO OPEN HER HOME TO BELIEVERS FOR WORSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP. Priscilla Shirer on Hearing the Voice of God on Issues, Etc. Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d This article is kept continuously updated as needed. Amen. Christians dont get to have our own personal opinions. Do you send women to your articles as a response?. When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. Can you explain ? The Holy Spirit decided that what this church needed to combat that false teaching was a refresher course in Christology (the study of Christ- who He was, what He did, and why). #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. The problem at the Colossian church (the reason Paul wrote this epistle to them) was that false doctrine was starting to creep in. My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. :0). And how their lives could be changed, too. read more, Scripture: I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. I think you might find this brief video helpful as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_THJXignk. Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. 2. ), placing herself into scripture and thereby improperly luring women to God through personal experiences of Jesus instead of purely reading the Word of God. Tonight at church he came up and thanked me for sharing and said he hated that these studies got past him. Where does the Bible teach this? Matthew 14:15-16. 2 Kings 5:1-15 Romans 8:24 For we Often God reveals more through discussions and scripture references. she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. I dont know half of your theological terminology, but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. There is no way to be saved by putting your faith in a false christ. It does NOT say, and be baptist. 2. Now, I believe I have clearly answered all of your questions both here, in the article, and in the Additional Resources section, so let me add just one extra thing. Heres just one example of Priscilla preaching to men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIzWbXvfps. Genesis 24:1-4. I dont know half of your theological terminology, Thats a long sentence!). Contributed by Wade Martin Hughes, Sr on Sep 22, 2016 | 5,774 views This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. Evangelical Dark Web. I do not endorse any of these sites in so far as any of them might deviate from Scripture or conflict with my beliefs as outlined in the Welcome or Statement of Faith tabs at the top of this page. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. Exegesis is taking a passage of Scripture in context, and leading out of it- teaching what the passage means. I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. After the service, people went by the preacher, tired and exhausted. Love Your Life 2018 (March 20, 2019) with Victoria Osteen and Terri Savelle Foy, Know Your God | Joyce Meyer and Priscilla Shirer (In this clip, Priscilla also gushes over Henry Blackaby who mishandles Scripture and teaches a form of mysticism. And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. MAIN TEXT: MATTHEW 14:15 You do not have to know whether or not Im a credible source to examine the evidence in light of Scripture and come to the conclusion that she is sinning. But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. Matthew 18 does not apply to public false teaching. Michelle, what do you think about this article? The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. Matthew 28:1-20, Denomination: Another important point on this subject: Can you think of a Scripture that says pastors can give people permission, guidance, or authority to sin by disobeying Gods word? There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip. So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. Having just heard what efforts even St. Paul had to make to run in the Christian race, and how terribly their fathers in the wilderness had failed to meet the requirements of God, they might be inclined to throw up every effort in despair. He wants you to learn good theology and sound doctrine. It will help you better understand biblical discernment and the fact that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude and others were pretty negative when it came to false teachers, too! Untold millions of Christians over the last two thousand years have studied Gods word, grown close to Him, matured in their faith, and walked faithfully with Him throughout their lives. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. Armor of God Workbook with Video Access I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. Thank you so much for your consideration, Though you may have become acquainted with her over the last several years from her roles in the movies Overcomer and War Room,she has been writing womens Bible studies and has been a popular speaker at womens conferences and other events for many years. God made you capable and smart enough to read His word in a systematic way, understand it, and grow from it. We shouldnt believe just whatever we see on the internet. A sermon examining the fact that we should ever be amazed by Jesus. Some would call that circular reasoning. Also your references in Matthew do not apply, and sadly this out of context mess gets regurgitated as much, if not more so, as Matthew 7, and the whole Do not ever judge crowd. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. My previous comment with the links was in answer to questions that you asked. Did you mean youre unsure whether or not she preaches to men? Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. Paul's Apostolic Authority 14 We are not overstepping our bounds, as if we had not come to you. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. Though the consequences of the sin of instructing men may not appear to be severe, it is just as much of a sin as any other sin you can think of: adultery, lying, stealing, drunkenness, and so on. Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. Jesus taught us the way He wanted us to pray. Ive heard her recommend Christian women to go to a quiet place to pray. I totally disagree with you on this. This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? Mark 7:31-37. Pray With Us Jan 12, 2023 Hi Friends! Furthermore (since Priscilla looks to tangible experiences and anecdotal evidence as support for her ideas), both anecdotal church history and the experiences of Christians who are alive today prove this idea to be false. God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! It just says dont. Period. rather than on the Bible. And then help teach it to other women. Verse 13. None. If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. 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