Certainly they killed them casually often for religious reasons. So wherever the wealth came from, it wasnt just slavery (or even mainly), Olusogas an alright presenter but a class A race hustler, Edward Lud August 30, 2020 at 9:12 am We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong.. Equiano is also mentioned in Incomparable World, a novel by SI Martin, which was selected by Booker award-winning author Bernardine Evaristo for her Black Britain: Writing Back series. Nobody will stop you, honest. Or they may discover how little black lives do matter. H istorian and broadcaster David Olusoga has been the face of a decolonial turn in British broadcasting that, in recent years, with series including the Bafta-winning Britain's Forgotten Slave. Required fields are marked *. And he might not find the society withdraws it nearly as comfortable for him to live in. Olusoga poses as an objective historian and says he is not there to bring comfort to people. I generally reckon cant blame me, my distant relative was on your side arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers. All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". No other race / culture was willing and able to do that. From Roots. This is indeed tu quoque. Instead he has become a campaigner working to discredit Britain, the country that has educated him, promoted him and brought him fame and acceptance. Anybody can do this. To be honest, I was a bit sceptical about the Olympics coming to London, but the atmosphere across the capital was genuinely wonderful . Of course if a rule was instituted that only people with white skins had to pay taxes, it might happen. It was far too real to her. It was the first of the slave narratives that I'd ever read and I found it astonishing.". Not good. It isnt going to happen anyway. When Olusoga recalled the experience before television cameras last year, he wept. You may concede a point here, a point there. If one disproves his assertions would slavery then be okay? I assume he is not very bright and Race Hustling is very lucrative. But you need a different approach if you dont think great-grandkids of the Confederacy are still fair game.) (If the likes of SMFS believe Western society will fall apart without a return to traditional Christian-inspired values, I suggest they either don a pessimists crash-helmet or just cling on and enjoy the ride to Hell in their top-gear handcart. Kyle Rittenhouse, unlike the rest of their sorry asses, did something. Just as how in the 16th century the anti-slavery voices in Europe were overwhelmed, and in the 19th century the abolitionists won out. Sooner or later, we whites are going to have to take a stand, and say we aint taking this any more. Societies have what morals suit them. What would happen to that money, who knows, but as its (or was) your money, thats between you and your grifter of choice. It happened. is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on.. In the system that made Sloane wealthy, black women sought out herbs, plant species that he carefully identified and categorised, and used them to induce abortions, determined as many were not to bring into the world children who would be born items of property and destined to live short, brutalised lives. Over 150 years in America. Women, denied a meaningful role in politics, formed their own organisations, writing tracts, pamphlets and poems, gathering signatures for petitions and fundraising: At certain times and in certain places they were the engine room of the movement.. If there were African states with legal continuity to those political entities which established and encouraged the African slave markets, they would be on the hook too, but theres a discontinuity due to colonialism and besides, everyone knows to sue the rich guy not the poor guy. Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister, since had I not done so, its quite possible though we cannot be sure that someone else would have tortured her then murdered her, which is even worse, so whos the real criminal? Which is that I still murdered your sister. There is the Push argument and the Pull argument. Away from the creative arts, the Equiano Project aims to promote race equality and he was mentioned in Parliament during a debate on Black History and Cultural Diversity in the Curriculum. I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either., Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong.. Thy did not try to grow or raise the next generation. Separated from home and family and landed in the West Indies (countless numbers dying of suffocation during the journey, given that the people traffickers were packing the holds to maximise profits), the Africans had no recourse to the law, much less the conscience of their captors. Whoever has the upper-hand in power political, cultural, economic, military or whatever other form is decisive at that moment. Because it isnt about who you are, its about who your ancestors were. While I dont think they persuaded anyone, they did shift perspectives a bit. This is because forgetting slavery means forgetting its victims. Their cities, as well as their comfort, will rapidly decay. Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father - who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. And yet anti-black race riots broke out in 1948 in Liverpool and in 1958 in Nottingham and Londons Notting Hill. Fryers book was monumental, inspiring conferences, publications, the setting up of local history groups, the establishment of Black History Month, and radio and television programmes. By a Senegalese author: The veiled genocide = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxc5ENT8ajg, MyBurningEars August 30, 2020 at 11:52 am Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. Pope Nicholas V gave his blessing, so long as the Vatican benefited. Pretty much everybody in the West is against slavery. He seems to be an interesting social historian and his TV series on the occupants of a single house over the centuries is very good, although I suspect a lot of the research is done by others, I look forward to an even handed expose of the entire slave trade from birth to capture, imprisonment, sale, transportation, arrival, sale, treatment and life while enslaved as well as the UKs role in stopping it, But it wont be on the BBC, and he wont be writing it I fear, @smfs But werent they lucky compared to the other Germans in Stalingrad? The world has seen more slavery since its abolition than before. Not a big fan of the odd human sacrifice Im afraid, even though I might just be of very partial Scandinavian descent myself. The people in Portland, Seattle and Kenosha are too decadent to fight back. The government has said the "flexibility within the history curriculum means that there is the opportunity for teachers to teach about BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic) history across a spectrum of themes and eras" so it did "not believe it was necessary to change the curriculum". Oblong, It has been reissued by publishing house Hodder and Prof Olusoga has written the foreword. Read about our approach to external linking. Olusoga is making an appeal to white guilt. In fact he is a biased political campaigner working to attack and do as much damage to Britain as he can. After decades of complaints, the Royal African Company lost its monopoly in 1712 and, Olusoga writes, Independent traders were turned loose upon the shores of Africa. These traders had argued (stone-blind to irony) that the right to enslave Africans was a defining feature of English freedom and that the Royal African Company had breached their status as free-born Englishmen. In dealing with the black contribution to the First World War, for example, he cites popular gratitude and admiration for black Britons among them Walter Tull, who fought on the Western Front. So there were times when food was expensive, we can call those shortages or famines. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. Reckon they found commenters guessing which parts of a hypothetical argument were meant all part of the fun, In many respects youre one of the posters here whose views on morality Im closest to our personal moralities probably being quite far apart, but I recognise mine as very much the product of my upbringing and surrounding society and know enough about other places and times to realise just how contingent that makes them. If you want to pay more tax, just write a cheque to HMRC and send it off. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. "I first read it as a student and it struck me as something that was very different to other things I was reading about the Atlantic slave trade. To me personally, this is the thing. The New Statesmans global affairs newsletter, every Monday and Friday. "The way history is viewed is changing. I imagine few do. Its entirely possible to think something was awful without feeling the slightest twinge of guilt or personal responsibility. Like I need to hand my cash to the next lass of Rus descent I see, lest she remind me of some unlucky slave-girl that may or may not have perished at the hands of my maybe-ancestors? So he calls himself a Geordie. When the American Civil War interrupted the supply of cotton, hundreds of thousands of British workers were made destitute, dependent on soup kitchens, and the British economy was dealt a thunderous blow, all because an ocean away the forced labour of four million enslaved black Americans had been disrupted. And I dont think this is what reparations campaigners are calling for either, as I understand it their argument includes systematic legacy issues not just the period of slavery itself, so the harm relates more directly to them not just their ancestors. The agreement is being touted as a . They are now CM scum and couldnt care less about America. He was born in Nigeria but arrived in the . Presumably there were normal times when food was cheap that you fed your workers and didnt seek to replace them in the way Olusoga means. Well one economist has worked out the amount to be paid (although not on a damages basis, when one imagines blacks might end up paying whites, but on a close the wealth gap basis): A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap. MBE: The problem with the UK paying reparations is that people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes. Ironically, one of the sources we can turn to in order to learn more is his own accounts of late 17th-century Jamaica. That may have caused more violence. Id say the same to the Black Lives Matter people. Indeed in many cases, whose ancestors didnt even live in France or England at the relevant time. Do I feel like I had anything to do it? The argument isnt whether historical slavery was right or wrong or who should accept responsibility for it. David then moved with his mother and three siblings in the north-east of the UK. The UK, Norway, Benelux, Spain, Malta and Switzerland are, I believe, the only western European countries to set it at 16. Fought to STOP southern independence. Slavery is bad or it isnt. It's possibly a deeper change than some people realise because I don't think what we're living through is a series of political events; I think we're living through a generational shift," he says. Watching @worstall execute @richardjmurphy is like watching a very, very clever cat slowly killing at ataxic mouse. Married an American GI after the war. 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Prof Olusoga, the presenter of the A House Through Time TV series, calls it an act of "historical salvage" to bring to the fore the black British figures who had been "lost in the archives, completely forgotten". You can be redeemed, you worthless pasty people. The Royal African Company, established by Charles II in 1672, eventually enslaved and transported more Africans than any other company in British history. The Coldest Case in Laramie: yet another bleak true crime podcast, From Sophie Mackintosh to Stephen Moss: new books reviewed in short, Universal Credit falls short of covering the bare essentials. A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap.. That someone did something 200 years ago means double ought nothing. But any planter who deliberately starved his slaves to death would quickly go bust. The Westman Islands of Iceland have an interesting history in terms of European slavery a major rebellion of presumably mostly Irish (Westmen) slaves was put down there in the typically brutal Scandinavian manner, hence the name, but in the 1600s the local inhabitants were themselves enslaved by Barbary pirates and taken to Algiers, from where a few were ransomed back and one wrote about the experience. Maybe Europeans did increase demand. You might have heard of a Romano-British chap called Patrick, got enslaved and nabbed to Ireland? I can then give him the details of other descendants, he can apologise to and compensate. He was immersed in it. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . No member of my family ever owned slaves. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation? We do not know enough to be sure. That involved killing the adult men. You dont have esoteric discussions with paedophiles any more than you would with serial killers. They did not care much for adult males. This is a moral argument. Latin America for instance. But oddly enough, people like Olusoga havent given me the cash yet. Well the universe has a law of gravity but it doesnt have a law of should there be reparations. His choice of subject and his choice of material make that very clear. White people are unique in ending slavery across the world*. Have you ever read the account by Ibn Fadlan of a Viking funeral in Russia? At the moment it seems to regarded as a good thing. They have a game plan & youre falling for it. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. And the third, fourth, fifth, and so on. In 1861, the Economist stated that nearly four million people in Britain depended directly and indirectly on the cotton industry; a fifth of the entire population. Yet American slave-produced raw cotton continued to feed the 4,500 mills of Lancashire. (As the first person to mention the Sokoto Caliphate ahh, forget it.). Such sources give his writing freshness, originality and compassion. Note, hes a renowned economist. Fuck right off As a winning debating strategy. It's all down to people in their 20s, those at school and in their teens, who have a relationship with history which, says Prof Olusoga, is profoundly different from that of their parents and grandparents. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history.. if he wants to be an historian he should present a fair and realistic picture of what happened, Your email address will not be published. Although I would expect the Germans, and perhaps even the Japanese, to be happy they lost the war. The economics of the slave trade may have meant that it was cheaper to work someone to death rather than allowing him a comfortable old age. But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom. In 1796, a bill was defeated by only four votes: a group of abolitionist MPs went to the opera and missed the vote. Shipwrecked off the coast of Africa, he, and other survivors, were taken by an African tribe as captives. Just how much should Olusoga receive? (Britain expended blood and treasure on ending the slave trade, and thereby paid its moral debt already is one way of trying to resolve it, but rather unsatisfactory at righting the wrongs done to those who had already fallen victim to the trade.) It costs money to replace them and after a famine the price of slaves would rise. In 1860, cotton goods accounted for 40 per cent of all British exports. So he calls himself a Geordie. My family did nothing. He saw how enslaved people who had risen up were burnt to death, castrated or mutilated, punishments he regarded as merited. We pretend we do not like slavery but actually we do not like slave traders. In 1986 I came across the book Staying Power by the British journalist Peter Fryer. He previously worked at JP Morgan for 18 years in a number of senior roles and was . It may not. At the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, Britain was granted the right to supply slaves to the Spanish colonies in the Americas, a right then passed on to the South Sea Company. There is an alternative argument that it is their ancestors who were wronged hence deserve compensation and as descendants theyre entitled to an inherited share (so their portion depends on how many slaves at what position in the family tree) plus interest, regardless of how well theyre doing now. 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