ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. You wrote a book blaming Shannan- seems to me youre just throwing your assumptions around. When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? Also in his re-enactment they also didnt add up. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing was a spur-of-the-moment crime of passion and didn't admit to planning it. The full autopsy reports are included below: Watts Aggregate Autopsy Reports by EKilloran on Scribd, MANHUNT: Hobby Lobby Distribution Center Manager Shot Dead in Altercation With Employee, 16-Year-Old High School Student Fatally Stabbed in Classroom Fight, Young Child FaceTimes for Help After 4 Members of Family Slain, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time, In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on. In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. His mom I think knew about it prior. Thats all information in police interviews with Shananns friends. A history of this procedure could easily go unnoticed during an autopsy. No screams were heard in the middle of the night. This behavior is opposed to the dignity and respect of another person. https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. GPS from Watts work truck led police to the oil well. The kids died afterward, otherwise he would have to break bones due to rigor to get them through the hatch. Bella fought back, according to the prosecutor, Denver Channel reported. Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. CW planned it, read it up. The basement had everything in plastic bins all labeled & neatly stacked. Watts was arrested on August 15, 2018. Maybe we can do a group letter and petition: dear Watts, what happened??! @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? but I dont think she ever went upstairs, not even to check on the girls. . I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. I was in one temporarily an Acai drink, it really tried to make you ocd about $ and prestige attaining the unattainable honestly. There are no words . My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. Im convinced that he did the same to Shanann. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. And then you test it in various scenarios. How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? I was writing in a passion. And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. Addendum: The cadaver dog wasaso very interested in the washing machine and his handler, Jayne, says quite clearly that her dog has scented death by the machine (check the K9 video, but watch the volume, the cadaver dogs bark is quite shrill! Even flailing my legs they werent even reaching him. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. LEE: Depends on sometime we find saliva, large amount of saliva, nasal secretion, mixed with small amount of blood on the pillow. Same with NK. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. Mark your theory makes a lot of sense. Weld County DA In the text, Shanann also tells Chris that he hasn't shown any signs of missing her in the weeks they have been apart. The autopsy also made no references to elevated levels of any Thrive-related chemicals. Please God Forgive me for everything.. Face? Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. Nickole called Christopher Watts and requested he come home and check on Shanann. 2. (this is horrific and the worst thing in the whole case, in my opinion). ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? Its more likely the complete opposite. Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. How was she with her phone? Perhaps it is safer that the majority public dont know the facts. So when he pulls her off theres not one last gasping breath, she dies at that exact moment and theres nothing Chris can do but kill Shannan!!!! I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely?. The Netflix show details the deteriorating relationship between Chris and Shanann, who began suspecting her husband was having an affair and felt he was suddenly pulling away from her, a fact she spilled to numerous friends in anguished text messages. He was adamant that no no nothing like that happened but the female agent is sympathetic & is using a technic which is to put the blame on another person & make him feel less at fault. Like you, I believe the children were sedated, and possibly Shanann as well. Like a scene from Friday the 13th. Chris Watts isnt my hero. Ugh. Strangleholds require little physical strength. He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. He said in his admissions that she deficated during the murder in thier bed, where he wrapped her in a sheet and moved her to the floor immediately- where he was interrupted by the girls waking up (after his first attempt to kill them by suffocating them in thier sleep)- the girls were killed in his truck CeCe was wearing a diaper, so even if she had deficated or urinated it would be unclear after days in the crude oil.. And Bella was likely not dead but simply unconscious again when he dumped her body- therefore, even if she did relax enough to evacuate her bowels and bladder- it wasnt until she was in the crude oil tank. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. Similarly, the anxiety caused by these obsessions can be lessened by different compulsions, such as checking (e.g., re-checking door locks, repeatedly making sure the oven is off), repeating (e.g., doing the same action or ritual over and over to be sure it was done correctly), and counting (e.g., doing things in certain numbers, counting items to certain numbers). As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. So completely terrible. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). Shanann loved clothes, and also being away for work (product) she may have had a huge heavy as suitcase loaded up, and as much as she wanted it upstairs thought Chris was asleep and being exhausted, preggers etc. He knew right where to thump her neckher surgical site. He snapped and I was terrified of him. No matter the circumstances he killed not 3 but 4 people including his unborn child. Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. Hopefully, one day we will know the whole truth of what was really going on in the lives of this tragic family; will one of the villains turn out to be MLM? Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . Bella has oil in her stomach but Celeste doesnt. https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, She wasnt OCD, and even if she was, what does it matter? But thats me. What information to that extent do you expect *an autopsy* to provide?? He said it was emotional but a civil conversation and they were not arguing. Murdering someone through strangulation doesnt take that long. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. I take comfort in that, Bella and Cee Cee likely had no idea it was their dad doing that to them, but he wouldve wanted Shanann to know he was ending her life. Anyways, interesting theories guysthanks! Shanann Watts' husband, Chris Watts allegedly confesses to murder The Colorado Bureau of Investigation reported that three-year-old Celeste Watts and four-year-old Bella Watts are also dead along with mom Shanann. And his mistress tells him she wants to be the one to have his first boy prior to the murders and surprise after finding out she is having a boy , she is now dead. I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. What about rigormortis?. It was already reported that Shannan evacuated her bowels when dying and that is why he took the sheet off, He told police that. Its completely obvious from videos that the wife was a nut job, self absorbed, controlling weirdo that undermined her husband constantly..so leave her ass!! Chris Watts attacked her from behind, his left hand around her throat and his right hand covering her mouth and nose. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities have released the autopsy reports for Shanann, Bella and Celeste Watts, who were murdered by Christopher Watts in August. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. Since its clear CW is a flagrant coward, I am finding it hard to imagine him having enough courage to have looked at her eye to eye while he was strangling her. I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. Areas of bruising, internal. Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. Or it might be that a place for everything and everything in its place is a good way for me to manage time being able to grab what I need when I need it without having to faff around looking for it. Hes asked what happened after Shannan was dead he says he carried her to their room and put her back into bed. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female whose appearance is generally consistent with the Im just saying if her friend had never come over. The reports also show that Shananns fetus had been expelled from her body, which was buried in a shallow grave. She was wearing a black or gray t-shirt and blue underwear. The LeVel MLM was a huge contributing factor in this familys financial collapse. I agree. After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. And dropped her in alive? @Lisa oh hell, if your description is an accurate one for a diagnosis of OCD, then I reckon I have it too! @nickvdl Hi. Mucho menos que estaba enferma. He just switched. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? He was a mechanic. As far as the BAC goes, it had been over 100 hours from the estimated time of death to when the samples were taken at autopsy. Thanks! She was an environmental science person. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. Fecal traces also missing in the Zahau case. For example, someone with OCD could have the thought that if they dont touch a doorknob a certain number of times an exact way, they will get a disease. Also, the fact that he did not want her to come to Colorado with his dad so that maybe she would not be questioned? But there were some issues. And in his own words under his own free will he admitted he act it killed his kids twice before that was ever said. The girls were just in their pajamas; they werent wrapped in blankets. He asked to speak to his father before confessing. I think he would have come up with a better plan as to where he would bury them. To the extent on the spectrum that it played out is the horror. Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. Talk to first reponders or health care workers. 1. Meanwhile, the part of your brain that regulates involuntary functions is shutting down. I find it odd that Shanann was wearing a bra when found. Powered by. Do not make it more complex than it need be please. Or putting her down. Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. Also ethanol in the oil would not seep into the spleen in a body in 3 days to produce a high level like that, besides most ethanol is extracted through many processes prior to any petroleum company dumping the waste oil. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. First off she was supposed to have been in a rage enough to have been snuffing the life out of her daughter & then when she sees the object of her rage that caused this who then starts to fight with her & strangle her she doesnt dig her nails into him anywhere? Kick him? And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. The HORRIFIC, worse than most of us originally thought truth; Bella and Cece were ALIVE on the drive, Bella even commented on the smell of her mothers body on the floor under their feet in the back seat because her bowels had evacuated when she died; its horrific to know that he dumped those little girls, unconscious but still alive out of fear that they would wake up again and the disgusting coward and monster that he is- he said he was FURIOUS that they somehow woke up after he thought hed killed them in thier beds. Thats contained in her autopsy report. However, his zombie-murder persona wouldnt let think that far ahead. Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. Have you read the 2000 page discovery? The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. Chris Watts destroyed three fully formed, perfect adults. Your thoughts? They are finger prints from his hands. Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. Completely empty stomach contents doesnt necessarily indicate they died when Shanann died. I doubt shed just leave her phone and stuff downstairs like that. ~KSmallz. The autopsy report found that Shanann was in her second trimester of pregnancy and that the "largely decomposed fetus and placental unit" was found "expelled from the gravid uterus." Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. I see it is listed as pronounced and no estimates of time for cause of death? It DOES NOT make her a bad mother when I comment on what I saw and what I think. Unless youd take that as he was going on the run with them, which I highly doubt. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? (He left the house as the sun was coming upmore on this below). The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. Colorado is very rural. It has NOTHING to do with being organized, clean, or a neat freak. He could have planned to go to work early that morning so as to avoid talking to Shanann. I believe it was to make her feel more at ease, able to sleep instead of up all night crying. And the fact that theyd had a bankruptcy in 2015 apparently hadnt helped her wise up at all. 1. Little Celeste, thankfully, seemed to have no idea what was happening to her. Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 Because she was submerged in oil for four days. I dont know why the Watts murders have affected me like this. Shed been drinking?? Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. Celeste was found face down in that oil tank. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. Thats inaccurate. Its good that youre trying to demonstrate this and see it through. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. No. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. Thats the update; at the beginning of the article, theres a link to the first contact between her and the financial counselor. Do you think youre asking for reasonable evidence that would be commonplace and easy to produce? His integrity shows through all the time. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. They should have been talked to later. What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. 19th Judicial District Attorney Michael Rourke said that Watts totally and deliberately ended four lives, smothering the girls. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. Even the few days shannan was gone. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. They obviously didnt watch the K9 body cam footage! Along comes NK, (a pig in her own right) who rocked ol Christophers world! Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. C . Between the two preferences, a lot of interaction was visible. Nick Van Der Leek is the owner of this site and you are invited to comment, which is a privilege and we should be grateful. Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? I lived with one. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! He just didnt want another baby. But then whats your scenario? He says he never saw what happened to Bella because he was downstairs. You can see it in his eyes. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. I am not sure that he planned the murders. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! The womans home was spotless & there was a place for everything & everything was labeled! He was all over the house. He organized the bins in the basement. Do you think he ninja-attacked her the moment she entered the house? Shanann was found in a shallow grave at an oil site near the drums. 100% agree. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. Not Shanann! (883931) Full autopsy reports of all 3. Smothering is albeit horrific, a more a gentle or approach that a mother may take. I actually have been turned upside down by this murder, and through watching over 42 hours of video, have grown to love and admire Shannan! When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. Heres what the autopsy says about Shananns cause of death: The autopsy report said that Shanann had a history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave. The cause of death was Asphyxiation due to manual strangulation with Bruising of the Anterior strap muscles of the neck.. Chris Watts advised that blankets and stuffed animals were left by the sheet which was near Shananns grave. I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. Addition. Like you, I was suspicious about the DAs assessment. IF the girls were sedated (with ShanAnns leftover oxycodone) before suffocation, it would have been very easy to make sure they were both in diapers CeCe was still wearing nighttime diapers at least, and these would have served for an incapacitated Bella they didnt need to be the right size, since she wouldnt be moving around. They were smothered. COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. I am doing a project for school and i would like to have a look at them. Just a thought. Does anyone know where I can view the autopsy pictures and/or videos? Nor did any part of whats left of a moral consciousness scream what are you doing?!!! He knew that he would be at those oil tanks by himself that morning. Unfortunately she never got the chance. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. I slept in my bras with all four of my pregnancies. 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