While I understand subscriptions can add value, I don't understand the forced model. Though, this latest development the move to Electron is a negative for me, so it leaves a part of me wondering what kind of development I have been paying for. KeepassXC was a kind of annoying to launch. > but the fact that they seem to have willy-nilly removed local vaults does. Put it on the bottom button, and 2FA is fast and pretty convenient. If you have already created a new username and password, log in to access your account. Add other dark patterns like the extension being 1PX only by default and doesn't work with standalone. We have been working on these changes long before we received any form of outside investments. It uses a Keepass database also. https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-tool-automates-phishing-at https://com-agilebits-users.s3.amazonaws.com/dave/1password7 https://app-updates.agilebits.com/product_history/OPM7. If you don't provide support when receiving subscriptions people will stop paying. Fair enough! >I think removing feature X makes sense, even if people are using it. I've got a lab for stuff I want to tinker with, but a password manager is seen as an "essential service" to me like e-mail and music. For example, if you're logging into your credit card provider from Mint.com, you have to search your card, copy the username. They both work fine for me, and probably should for most people. Internet users looking to boost their online security should always have a password manager app handy. When you click on the locked 1Password icon in the browser, you get the "Double click to approve" alert on your Apple Watch. Left 1Password for Bitwarden and have zero regrets. I'm with you on this one. I've been a happy subscriber for years now, and recently switched to the Family plan to try and get my parents to start taking security a bit more seriously. I stored everything in KeePass, recovery keys, TOTP seeds, sensitive documents and notes. With the added insult that they had this awful non-standard UI most of the time. 2. However, due to long-run budget constrain and after many months of comparison, I do not see myself needing a subscription version, especially since I only use 1Password on primarily 2 devices - my Macbook and iPhone. Subscription models make sense for stuff that requires updates over time to keep it working. Try 1Password free for 14 days, then keep going with a 1Password subscription. After youre done creating your account, youll see your Home page. I agree that moving to Electron is not a guarantee that an application will be slower than it is before, wrote cytzol on the Hacker News forum. I use Bitwarden at home. What were people paying for? 1Password subscription (Get 50% off your first year) 1Password 8 for Mac; The 1Password extension for Safari, Chrome, Firefox, Edge, or Brave, to generate and fill SSH keys in your browser. Other password managers are functions lacking or security-wise concerned or sharing the same problem as 1P8. A successful brute-force attack on the vault (unlikely) means you've lost both your password and your OTP secret. Youll add your account, migrate your data into it, and then delete your old vault. Honestly, I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable price for the 1Password service if it wasn't a step down in value from what I had before. And the file based approach is actually superior to any (possibly) dubious browser plugins in my eyes. Fans are also unhappy that the update removes local vaults and the ability to sync with iCloud or Dropbox, and that its now a subscription-only service, with no option to pay a one-off license fee like you could with previous versions of the app. Almost everything from early iPhone OS to 12, and from 12 onwards worked ok, even with major resolution changes. The issues are twofold: 1Password 8 will become subscription-only, thus removing the option to buy it outright; and; they've moved the app over to something called Electron. But figuring out what to add on top of that is always either directed at businesses or families, or things I don't care about like 2FA or an authenticator. Besides moving from 1P to others is not painless, especially for information other than logins. Any child can hack a UI together in HTML but there's a reason no one (usually) pays for that. There are screenshots and an archive on archive.org that shows it's not different to how I'm describing it. Yep, long time 1password user and recommender. They're not trustworthy. I agree, I switched about a year or two ago to subscription and I'm quite happy with it. Not every project, but enough of them. The hassle of doing what your users are paying you to do? Just open the following URL in the shortcut: Best tip I have for you around iCloud Keychain right there. 1Password has continually added new/better features year after year and the price is tiny compared to the value I get (and then subsequently provide to people in my 'family'). UW-EC Football player, Ryan Kuechel, and Women's Hockey player Sophie Rausch were named WIAC Kwik Trip Athletes of the week For Oct.24-30, according to a press release from the WIAC. Its not just that 1Password is an Electron app now. This is the reason I bought my first license of 1Password many years ago. I had bought several versions and both the Mac and Windows editions of 1Password over time, none of which were what I would consider inexpensive for a password manager. I use 8 on Windows 10 and the Android app. It's in the release notes, it was on the site, and it was in the forums. It's not going away any time soon, the app is still available for MacOS and the browser extensions work just fine. Same with Lightroom, etc. Something like 1Password does truly change all the time to keep up with security practices, browser updates, and site updates so it fits with what you're describing. Any tool shares the same issues. I'm sorry for not being more clear earlier as to why we couldn't support two separate teams for the same platform. I've been a standalone user since v3 and finally upgraded after realizing that buying a license for Windows, Mac, and Linux would cost me more over 3 years than just paying the subscription. It's not dishonest. Enter your account password and tap Sign In. Want Syncthing instead of Nextcloud? This makes me sad, tweeted Curtis Herbert. A login tax for all eternity sucks. I too am a bit reluctant to Electron. > then maybe you're just not the target audience anymore. Ok. How does that change anything? When you buy Premium subscription, you sign up for auto renewal by default. I just got into one of my little ADHD focuses where I really wanted to reply with something long and detailed, so please don't assume I work for them or something and am defending them because of that :). I believe that before the licenses, they did not have the recurring revenue to pay for a high-quality support team. I'm pretty happy with it. which makes the subscription even more expensive. I ditched them all for bitwarden and think it's easily the best I've tried. Honestly, I almost never open the apps themselves, 99% of the time that I use 1Password it's autofill, so what the app looks like is virtually a non-issue to me. You have to cram through their website to find the legacy extension and even that isnt straight forward. I just tried to do this after comparing the features that I use and what I'm paying 1p vs. the bw rate. Invite people to a family or team at any time. Bitwarden is right there waiting for you. As a standalone user that uses dropbox sync. It's the one sub that I'm happy to pay. As you said, they made it clear that subscription was the way of the future and that anyone who didn't want a subscription product should look elsewhere, so we did. A malicious update that starts generating predictable passwords for websites doesn't need a network connection. In this review, however, we'll be talking about 1Password, one of the best password managers utilized by millions of users worldwide. Trust that the company which provides something you need is far more likely to continue to be around. Well, Im saving $5/month so Ill tell you in a few decades. I only have the iOS non-subscription version and am happy with it. This article will focus on seven apps that provide the same level of security as 1Password. Still, the policymakers may feel they can soon slow the pace of their rate hikes because some early signs suggest that inflation could start declining in 2023. The only option will be a 1Password subscription. Tldr: Will 1Password 8 be out anytime soon? Email Address 1Password AgileBits passwords Security No trouble. December 31, 2022. Ps. Whom would you rely on to handle something that matters to you: A. I also have a license for an older standalone app. The switch to a subscription service is a forced downgrade for me; it's putting functionality I already have behind a subscription. Inflation rose 8.2% in September from 12 months earlier, just below the highest rate in 40 years. It just makes the developers job way easier. Well theyve released a Linux app built in Rust, so maybe theres hope? I'm not sure how I'd do that with a cloud service where in a sense their entire company (and my network connection to it) is a single point of failure. And additionally, as a consumer its not my responsibility to find a way for a company to fund its product. Very frustrating. i switched from lastpass to bitwarden for about a year or so and its what i recommend to most people. 1PW used to support Dropbox - it's how I still use it. I can absolutely attest to that with a relatively underpowered computer (4 gb of RAM). Like you pointed out, I think a fee structure where you pay for major updates and otherwise pay a maintenance / hosting subscription fee makes the most sense. Shall I stay or shall I find another somution? When you go back and forth between the form and opening the extension window, you always start at the default page. Confirm the number of items, attachments, and tags to be migrated, then click Move Data. It looks like it requires an export-than-import though? Saying development goes on even without you upgrading, so you have to pay a subscription to support that is kind of a weird argument, isnt it. iOS Open and unlock 1Password 7. +1 for bitwarden. tip. A subscription is required, with individual pricing set at $2.99 per month for unlimited access across several. Affidavit printers are lined up at the Maricopa County Elections Department in Phoenix on Sept. 8. I believe there's barely no benefit to setting up a TOTP 2FA for those accounts if you're going to store the backup codes/token seed along with the password in the same vault. I had no idea what Electron was until I met Rob. I share my passwords with my wife and sync them across devices. Choose Help > Tools > Migrate standalone vaults to account. And despite efforts by tech companies to slow their spread, misleading claims about mail ballots, vote tallying and certification never went away. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. While that's true, the good thing is, that you don't really need it, the browser extension is enough. Get to know 1Password 8 for Windows. I suppose they could do something like JetBrains where you get updates while subscribed, but realistically login breaks for users would be a mess to support and a standalone text editor is a different service. You can sign up for an account on 1Password.com. Whereas in reality some people probably get away with using password protected spreadsheets (don't do this). No, they didn't. Bitwarden's UX is so frustrating. The $0 competition for hackers is https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden. It also includes its very own VPN to bolster your online security. Can you quantify the "needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team" in some way? I'm not aware of any other big name cloud storage providers that offer support for standard protocols. I don't know how I missed this. Do you know of any good native ones? Getting something hardened and reliable is a different story. A password manager doesn't need frequent updates. > If as a user your needs are not met, whether that's due to sluggishness from Electron, incompatibility from having a native-only solution, whathaveyou, then all you really have to do is wait. But, that red flag kept me away. I think it depends on how they got 97%. > In the real world, plenty of alternatives exist for practically every Electron app out there so if you don't want to use it, you don't have to. That tells me that Electron is inherently making the app experience worse, despite being used well. Then why on earth do you expect other software vendors to do that? and I hate Electron apps. Would you want to dedicate your work into a product for meagre & sporadic standalone payments pressuring you to endlessly churn out marketable feature upgrades with little time for maintenance work just to barely make ends meet? New York Giants' Kadarius Toney, right, runs with the ball during the first half of a game against the Carolina Panthers on Sept. 18 in East Rutherford, New Jersey. I'd like to believe this isn't primarily profit motive. Because the items werent shared with any other family members, no one will be able to access them. It's absolutely incredible to me that people ignore one of the biggest sides of the argument for pre-baked, user friendly products like 1Password: usability for as many people as possible. Almost every time I use 1Password I leave with a smile/good-feeling. Electron is a pile of shit and _every_ Electron app I am forced to use should be a source of continuous shame for any dev who actually worked on it. When you open the app for the first time, you'll see all your accounts. I do not use browser plug-ins so both are kind of the same but bitwarden just wins on the little things. I will say that licenses are sold on a platform, person, and version basis, so while I don't know (and couldn't say) for sure what the future might hold, in general you should expect a license for a particular version of 1Password to be for that version of 1Password. They're a business, and 97% of their users were already on the subscription model. > What ongoing development does a password manager have? Plus they have a 'pay $99 once, get $150 in credit' option which makes it work out even cheaper if you're happy to do that. And let's not forget that you're basically running a completely separate browser that can't re-use any memory from the other 5 separate browsers (=Electron apps) you need to run for work all day. I've been holding off on the subscription transition because I would derive zero value from switching to subscription but I'd gain a monthly payment I didn't have before. Parent commenter can delete this message to hide from others. And also from a user security standpoint, i don't think we can keep going on making enhancements to user security good practice habits if we gate keep good password habits behind paywalls. Affordability is a mirage- $5 per month and $60 per year wont break a bank but its a huge amount to justify other geographies where money transactions are NOT in $$. Thank you for letting me know your concerns. > What gives me pause is how I write regularly asking for separate vaults for trivial passwords and passwords that could lead to financial ruin. Software as a service is a good concept for something that is truly changing all the time, but I find it absurd that a Photoshop subscription or a huge IDE cost as much as these utilities thst used to be shareware in the past. To me, USD$50 for several years of usage is a very reasonable price to pay. When you see, Do you want to move any data thats only on this computer to a 1Password account?, click Yes. However, in the case of 1Password it's not just about being a password manager; it's also about syncing passwords between devices, staying on top of (sometimes rapidly!) I don't know how subscription fixes your problem. I'm also increasingly uncomfortable with the company handling my passwords engaging in the sort of spin and dark patters we've seen from AgileBits in the past few years. Unfortunately the complexity of chrome (which electron is based on) is already comparable to some old OSs, we even have ChromeOS isn't it? We didn't have a working SwiftUI solution that we could just pick up and use - we had to re-architect the entire frontend from the ground up. If the servers go down you'll never lose access to anything. This is the exact experience I had. (YT Music doesn't have an app on desktop). It does seem like an interesting and useful project, though there are also other more popular alternatives like Caddy: https://caddyserver.com/ (even though their V2 not being backwards compatible was a tad annoying), Oh, and some people also have pretty good luck with software like Traefik: https://traefik.io/traefik/. Choose monthly or annual billing. This reads like that notorious HN comment about it being trivially easy to roll your own Dropbox. The UI is the best I've seen in a password manager and while design doesn't necessarily affect the ability for a PW manager to do it's core job, I prefer looking at pretty apps. As forthcoming / down-to-earth as these posts from the company seem- they are full of spin. There are limits to local vaults. Or they believe the amount they paid is for support in the future, not work done in the past. If you were running a business, and 97% of your users had abandoned a feature that was a headache for you to maintain, would you stubbornly keep wasting time and money on it? if not, how do you expect them to fund development/maintenance indefinitely? For technical and especially non-technical folk, getting a full nextcloud host set up and working is going to take significantly more time than a simple login into 1Password, where it just works. You have apps on every device to access your password database and do autofill. I use my Apple Watch to unlock 1Password in my browser. We actually did build a native Mac app initially alongside the cross-platform Electron app, but we eventually decided that having two separate versions of the macOS app (one in Electron, one in SwiftUI) would cause a lot of needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team. Youll need to download 1Password 7 from Agilebits website, not the Mac AppStore. So the user hostile changes aren't VC driven, they are internal choices. It has been discussed at every step of the way on social sites like HN for years. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. 1password Standalone Price will sometimes glitch and take you a long time to try different solutions. Hopefully the app is as performant as they can possible get from Electron. when you paste the result on Mint, you lose the window, and you have to re-search for your card to get the password. > I'm curious about how you see the attack surface increasing when using 1Password. I have tolerated the UI regressions and even subscription with version 7, but Electron is just unacceptable for what was once an amazing Mac app that put Apple's apps to shame. And it will totally destroy the illusion if an OS update comes with a new theme. Most of the time the software doesn't even need to change, you just need to open up xcode and recompile the project against a new ios sdk and you're done. Bitwarden's desktop app is built on Electron.. Our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. It's that kind of thing. > Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. The only two free services that I'm aware of that only have Electron apps on desktop. So far, it seems like VS Code is more than meeting its users' needs, but like I said above, other alternatives exist and will continue to exist, and they're all great if VS Code doesn't work for your particular use. That for me, is a game changer. You were given a choice. Sales organizations love to claim "it's what the customer wants", "it's more affordable", among other half-truths - when the reality is it's a much more consistent revenue stream that disconnects customers voting with dollars from continual enhancement of the product such that the customer is incented to upgrade. I'll be an outlier with you. Bitwarden is really nice in that you can host the server yourself (or use bitwarden-rs), so you're not having to mess around with WebDAV or some other storage sharing mechanism. They tried very hard to hide all info of a standalone existing. Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password. I just wish they were cheaper and more accessible > But also, in such setup, the security benefit of 2FA/OTP codes are negligible at best since there are no conditions under which only one factor could be compromised without also having the other factor leaked (assuming you're using unique passwords for each identity, which is the entire point of a password manager). Where they going out of business before offering stand alone licenses? That's your mum and dad and other very likely non-techie people. Their impossible-to-find standalone license page is a topic they seem to be avoiding. Take these strings, encrypt them. Oh so THAT'S why the Evernote update sucks. If every single utility and app start charging $3 or $5 per month then it becomes a problem. The problem is even the best examples of Electron apps aren't great and use far more resources than a native counterpart would. 1Password 8 is rebuilt from the ground up with an all-new design and powerful personalization. I should have phrased that better, my bad. Welcome! $20/month seems a bit steep if you ask me. I have bitwarden for my company stuff, and I find it . very clumsy. They did. Ive left 3 years of no-income life as a student, and thatll be a whooping USD$108 or SGD$150 . Not sure where the signup link is, sorry. After youve migrated your data, download and install 1Password 8 to make sure you have the latest version of the app. Simply add your passwords, and let 1Password do the rest. You take money to provide software. The point of using 2FA for me is to protect me against my password being compromised since it's a long_lived access key. (Hint: you have to upgrade within the app, but only if you downloaded from their website, and only if no 1p account or trial is present). A longtime favorite of Mac and iPhone users, 1Pasword has significantly improved its Windows and Android user experiences and also now has a. Tap Delete Vault. I haven't seen it. If your internet is down and you cannot reach Dropbox, all files synced to your computer are still there, on your computer. Heres how I use it: One vault for personal, one for family one for work. That being said, this is still in an early access stage, so there are bound to be hiccups and UI issues that need to be resolved. If that app happens to be useful enough for others to use it, even better, that person just solved what could have potentially been a big deal for that user. A Premium subscription allows you to enjoy additional benefits to the free service that Rapidgator offers. This was some time ago so things may have changed. 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