Strange can see The Watcher without infinity stones. In the prime MCU, Strange gave the Time Stone to Thanos after the Mad Titan stabbed Tony Stark, only leaving the villain one Infinity Stone short of completing the set as he left Strange, Stark, Spider-Man, and four of the Guardians of the Galaxy on Titan. So what do you guys think? It turns out that these heroes ended up "at war" with the forces of Thanos as well and were as desperate as the heroes of the MCU to stop his plans. That attempt failed. Press J to jump to the feed. Why those possibilities didn't come up is a mystery, although it could be chalked up to Earth-616 not being in danger of an Incursion or any other kind of interactions with other universes before Spider-Man: No Way Home. Ever since the release of Avengers: Infinity War last year, fans have pondered what, exactly, Doctor Strange's long term plans are after willingly surrendering the Time Stone to Thanos after the battle on Titan. Not a victory. She's important too. Much of this has to do with the introduction of the Multiverse, which first came to the big screen in Spider-Man: No Way Home before expanding to new heights in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. As seen following the iconic snap, the Gauntlet was damaged, possibly beyond repair, and having removed Etri's hands following the Gauntlet's construction, it's unlikely that a replacement can be forged. Not a victory. The Illuminati Is All but Confirmed for 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness', Marvel's New Trailer for 'Doctor Strange 2' Has Fans Wondering if Wanda is the Villain, 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' Will Be the Scariest MCU Movie Yet. The other key difference between the two situations is knowledge of the Time Stone. ", Some of these comments show why the ancient one would NEVER have given you the time stone. Copyright 2020 The Direct Media Group LLC. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. Yes, the other stones could be used to stop Strange, but only once he has time to actually use them, which he wouldn't. Allowing him to sense the passage, even within a loop, was key to wearing down his defenses(and rounding out Doctor Strange'sexploration of the fear of death). RELATED: How Marvel's Eternals Hid in Plain Sight for Thousands of Years. Directed by Joe and Anthony Russo, Avengers: Endgame stars Robert Downey Jr., Josh Brolin, Mark Ruffalo, Tom Hiddleston, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner, Chris Pratt, Elizabeth Olsen, Chadwick Boseman, Sebastian Stan, Benedict Cumberbatch, Paul Bettany, Samuel L. Jackson, Cobie Smulders, Benedict Wong, Zoe Saldana, Karen Gillan, Vin Diesel, Dave Bautista, Pom Klementieff, Scarlett Johansson, Tom Holland and Anthony Mackie. A victory for Strange is probabaly something akin to: Defeating Thanos, while also having a way to save countless others, while also not opening the door to allow other powerful beings to come in and get the stones. Seeing as the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need to accomplish their goals, the Illuminati probably didn't have to endure five years of hardship before going back in time to get old versions of the Stones the way the Avengers did. Could literally just slip the gauntlet right off, behead him, cut off his arms, anything, and all before he'd have time to react. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. It's true that Doctor Strange looked into more than 14,000,605 different futures "to see all possibly outcomes of the coming conflict" but evidently there were still some futures he did not see. :) This guy does fake pitch meetings for movies and has about 10 of them devoted to MarvelDoctor Strange Pitch Meeting. Doctor Strange didn't trap Thanos in a loop using the Time Stone in Avengers: Infinity War, but why? RELATED:Thanos Action Figure May Reveal His Updated Avengers: Endgame Armor. Thanos and the Avengers' interests align in Avengers: Mech Strike #4by Jed Mackay and Carlos Magno. During Infinity War, in the battle of Titan, Doctor Strange was denied the opportunity of using his time stone against Thanos due to the (IMO) ingenuine-albeit-cop-out limitation of "one victory out of 14,000,605 possibilities" imposed by the scripted writer/directors. It's this method that a classic Avengers villain uses in Avengers: Mech Strike #4 - and though he has no need fortheTime Stone itself, Doctor Strange can certainly emulate his technique, however heinous it may be. With Doctor Strange peering into over 14 million possible futures, one fan theory suggests he foresaw a key event from Eternals: the emergence. RELATED: Doctor Strange Is Undoubtedly the MCUs Best Babysitter. Despite Strange memorably saying "There was no other way" before disappearing in a haze of dust, he was quite wrong; there was indeed another way. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Unfortunately, nothing can stop the warlord, who goes as far as to nearly kill Tony Stark it's at this moment that Doctor Strange decides to give up the Time Stone. In the comics, Drax is not only much stronger than his on-screen counterpart, he was essentially created to defeat Thanos. . . . . . . . . . . Just Plus, while we have seen Thanos used the most basic form of time manipulation but simply turning the time back, he is not a socerer so there is no gurantee he could cast/undo the higher form of spells such as time-loop. All rights reserved. ADVERTISEMENT Throughout Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, various characters note with some anger that Strange's only way to beat Thanos resulted in untold pain Strange has power over time and has used this offensively many times before, it would seem strange to me if he was only examining paths from the present one. There were TONS of ways to beat Thanos, BUT there was only one way to stop the stones which are ALL now in close proximity from being used by others. Tony Stark must earn the respect of Thanos during the fight so that he does not simply kill him because he can. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. On-screen stone feats only. You have raised a good point though, personally I was under the impression that the loop spell can only be undo by Doctor Strange himself (the caster), since no matter how many times Dormammu destroyed him along with the eye of agamotto which contains the stone itself (from within the time-incarnations) over and over again through countless time loops, and it still could not break the spell. @doomstoaa: Again where was it confirmed he could do the time loop specifically again outside of Dormammus dimension lol? During the battle on Titan at the end ofInfinity War, it's assumed that Doctor Strange did everything he could to prevent Thanos from winning in the long run. He brutally grabs Thanos' throat and forces him to experience his entire life asthe Conquererliterally ages the Mad Titan to death. Honestly, we aren't even surprised because Doctor Strange has and always will be an absolute mastermind. Fantastic, and Doctor Strange stopped Thanos from completing the Infinity Gauntlet and wiping out half of all life. How, exactly, the Quantum Realm and Ant-Man will play a factor in Thanos' final defeat has yet to be seen, but before their deaths at the hands of the Mad Titan, Pym did leave behind a mobile lab to venture deeper into the microscopic world while original Wasp Janet Van Dyne warned Scott of time vortices within the Realm before he returned for an exploratory mission. @doomstoaa: I'll ask again confirmed where? Would he be froze still or can he still perform? Many have assumed the Sorcerer Supreme is playing a long game, one that extends beyond his death at the snapof the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet after viewing over 14 million possible futures (14,000,605, to be precise) before his fight, though it is unclear how this will ultimately unfold in Avengers: Endgame. RELATED:Avengers: Endgame LEGO Set Reveals a Massive Upgrade for War Machine. RELATED: Doctor Strange 2 Already Proved the Most Powerful Avenger's Worst Loss Made Him Stronger. Only Star Lord was willing sacrifice a loved one to save the universe and for that he gained Thanos respect. In Marvel Comics, there are numerous ways one can travel through time, or even manipulate it to one's own advantage. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Dr. The Quantum Realm has repeatedly been referred to as playing an important role in Endgame, and no surviving character knows the microscopic dimension better than Scott Lang. Although it's hard to tell how many Infinity Stones he possessedat that point in time, he already has the golden Gauntlet that Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir,most likely meaning that this moment wassimilar to the equivalent timeframe in Avengers: Infinity War. Despite being vital in how they beat Thanos, Strange still surrendered himself to his allies because of his crime and didn't even resist when Black Bolt executed him. Thousands of other tiny variables that could affect the outcome of the battle. But there wasn't enough onscreen proof that the events casted by reality stone is more than hyper-realistic illusion, and DS might be able to see through it given that he is a soccerer supreme. In his spare time, Ben is usually watching movies, playing games and running D&D games for friends (and hopes to one day actually be a player). ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Thanos snaps 2x. The necessary team-up between Tony Stark and Scott Lang to adapt PymTech also explains why Strange was willing to save Iron Man's life despite his earlier vow not to do so. So i doubt Strange can use that on such a hurry situation. However the real reason they lost is also the main moral question of the story. I think it's more like "TVA, TVA, TVA, TVA, TVA, TVA, TVA, TVA x1million. JUST TELL ME WHAT TO DO ALREADY! Marvel/DC. The person needs to consciously think and act to get them to do the things you want. This hints at the true cost of Doctor Strange subverting his plans from Infinity War and Endgame. Why Didn't Doctor Strange Trap Thanos In A Time Loop? He used it to look at all possible futures and saw that the only way to beat Thanos required him to give Thanos A similar decision was taken by Stephen who can see into the multiverse when he handed Thanos the Time Stone, which seemed ridiculous at first but was necessary to save his reality. @kell_saloks: I don't think Strange can use another spell while doing time-stop. Sam Raimi's Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness reveals the way another reality defeated Thanos, and the massive cost it incurred. Sam Stone is a 10th level pop culture guru living just outside of Washington, DC who knows an unreasonable amount about The Beatles. He knew that there was no possible way to win on Titan but that several things needed to happen and if they did not happen exactly according to his vision victory would be statistically impossible. Doctor Strange beat Dormammu by trapping him in a time loop. Strange was after destroying the stones. And found that his passion lays in scriptwriting, where he can combine his love of movies, writing, and storytelling. The turning tide will likely come from the most unlikely source and, with Scott Lang alive and well, the smallest Avenger may ultimately make the biggest impact. It is a really dark question that I havent seen anyone really talk about. Maybe the reality stone could counter it if the user can trick the timer into undo the spell/give up the stone. The snap greatly damaged Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet, and that may prove to be the necessary weakening for the survivors to undo his actions in Avengers: Endgame. One could interpret the other stones as independent of time. There is always a chance but by himself he would not have much of one with out doing something dramatic like when he fought the Hulk He used the po Strange will only reset his memory after the end of each loop. Theres a reason why Strange didnt use that stone. While Strange could control time with the Time stone, Thanos could control reality with the reality stone. He tried to on Titan, but this time it is actually in the EOA. In the prime MCU, Strange gave the Time Stone to Thanos after the Mad Titan stabbed Tony Stark, only leaving the villain one Infinity Stone short of completing the set as he left Strange, Stark, Spider-Man, and four of the Guardians of the Galaxy on Titan. Around the time of Infinity War, Earth was very close to having a population large enough to produce enough power for the emergence. With taking courses involving film, Ben has extensive knowledge of movies both new and old, and keeps up to date on all the latest goings-on in the film industry. Although Avengers: Infinity War debuted in theaters nearly four years ago, MCU fanatics can't help but debate over one pivotal scene involving everyone's favorite Sorcerer, Doctor Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch). And maybe (and apologise for the cross fandom mention {HP}) Strange is only worthy of possessing one of the infinity stones and not mess up everything - but again, new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. It's a worse version of seeing the future and then picking a path bc he's actively in combat where high pressure can mess things up. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Despite a brief jaunt in Mathematics at Durham University, film writing was always his calling. But, weren't they only able to break out of it because they were prepared, and knew it was coming, able to then use dark magic before Strange cast the spell? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Thanos will do what he is supposed to do every time and Dr. While Sprite is resentful of them, Makkari points out that humans "defeated Thanos, and saved half the universe," showing that the Avengers' actions had an impact on how the Eternals viewed Earth. @zezima: logically four power stones should be more powerful than one power stone just by sheer quantity. It's logical to assume, however horrifying the implications, that Strange can use the Time Stone to force people to undergo this effect as well. Well if other people can show my view of the film is flawed I'll agree but it seemed like hes only able to continuous time loop and return from the dead in the dark dimension because there is no time there only the power of time that he brought with him. In fact, Avengers: Secret Wars title logo and color scheme seem to signal Doctor Dooms Secret Wars upgrade as God Emperor Doom. While this horrifies the other Avengers, this clearly isn't a power limited to Kang. The Sorcerer Supreme infamously never usedthe powers of the Time Stone in the fight against Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, and though he and his fellow Avengers eventually won the day, he paid dearly for his hesitation. can any of the stones help Thanos in gaining victory if Doctor Strange has already foreseen every possible moves he could make? But a key moment in Avengers: Mech Strike #4 might as well have been written as a rebuttal to Strange's inaction in the film. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. Throughout Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, various characters note with some anger that Strange's only way to beat Thanos resulted in untold pain thanks to giving Thanos the Time Stone and allowing him to kill countless (in the name of eventually restoring them all). Accessing the Book of Vishanti in Earth-616's universe may have not been possible at the time ofAvengers: Infinity War, or was only an option due to the Illuminati's specific members being around in Earth-838's realm. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone (no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. On-screen stone feats A subreddit dedicated to the Marvel Cinematic Universe! Let's be real here: Dr. Strange affected freaking Dormammu with his atomic manipulation , if Dormammu had hard time against it, then Thanos has no This also came before Baron Mordo was a part of the team, which was also most likely because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, with Doctor Strange involved instead. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. A place to discuss Plotholes, Continuity errors or even unexplained events for Movies, Books, Games, or anything else you can think of, Press J to jump to the feed. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Strange to truly conjure up what he would consider to be a victory from the situation.". After all, to truly beat him required first havinghim win. WebThor could have brought rocket and groot to titan instead of wakanda, dr strange could have chopped thanos in half with a portal when they put him to sleep, or at least cut off his left hand, loki could have used the space stone to get the asgardians to earth and then they could have a 3 to 1 stone advantage on thanks, etc. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. You'll catch on eventually you practically answered why Strange could use that in the dark dimension and not on earth for example. Display of strength is not characteristic of him. Tough to say, but I think Thanos might win this one still. Endgame revealed that this included the Avengers discovering time travel, going back to get the Stones, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life before Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos. "Oh, we win in 1 of 14,000,000 scenarios? Are you willing to sacrifice others in order bring about the greater good. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. >Dr. . My though would be maybe its a bad idea having all of the stones except one on a desolate planet with 2 narcissists who have proven in the past not capable of respecting the consequences of using infinity stones(and one of them seems to do it again in the next Spider-Man). Existence of the TVA absolutely ruins this scene for me because it doesn't matter how many outcomes they lose, the TVA were always waiting in the wings to step in and prune the timeline should they fail. 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