AMG would be nice and or a V8. It has a double overhead cam design with 4 valves per cylinder, and used a crossflow cylinder head. Power is sent through a 4-inch driveshaft to a BMW E34 differential modified to fit the factory Mercedes subframe. Navigation Menu. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Install without transmission. Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. changing the clutch and pulling out m104 engine on my 2.0 W201 190Eswap,320e,e320,w124,m104,m104 3.2,mercedes-benz,plasme cutting,mercedes,,190,190e,. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. I did all the swaps and all the work myself. For those unfamiliar with the project, it's powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a . One thing i forgot to mention, the sway bar and the skid plate needs to be modified but thats easy peasy. Power will be greater with an LS swap. Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. If you want one super clean AND fully sorted it might be closer to $10k. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). What are some 1/4 time and or top speed #'s for people have done these swaps? haha, no worries! Which is still ~1/3 of what the same condition E500E would be. Team Lovetap is a Swedish drift team started by driver and fabricator Mrten Stngberg. from my search I limit the option for an engine swap between the M104.980 from w124 300ce 24v and the M104.990 from a W140 320. In order to use the M104 CIS intake box, the supply line must be swapped. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. Ok got it all nearly wrapped up this past week, around 60 hours or so to turn key M104. Yup, that's John's car. Source: Team Lovetap (project page), Team Lovetap FB page, Auto-Gruppen FB page, and Drifted. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Mercedes w203 Engine Swap "The Plan" (Pt.1) M271|M104|M111 Ricer Benz 4.27K subscribers Join Subscribe 143 Share 10K views 2 years ago M111 turbo Video link :. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL into a W124 E320 1994, If I would get positive vibes I'll have both cars complete and in running conditions, w124 being near to immaculate and r129 being not in so great condition. In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! However, The flywheel is going to be a problem for you. When you find one, buy it. My M104 is a 99 hfm. Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. This Nissan 350Z was built to drift by Yaroslav Kremets from Nomotors in Kyiv, Ukraine. M119 upper engine harness - how to rewire temp plug? Anyone with experience in HFM swaps care to shed some light as to exactly what I need to pull out of the donor 124? Learn how your comment data is processed. torque using the old KE Elctro-Mechanical Fuel Injection like that used on the older m103 Inline 6. Will be taking it there soon so I'll post my times. Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. I think you meant steering box/column from a w201 (not W210) W103 is what you meant. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. So my question is, can I just find a used M104 3.2 liter engine and ECU, and toss it into my car? Although this is still a tiny bit longer and almost doesn't fit. Is a swap possible? The W124 has the connection point closer underneath the brake booster line and is about 5 inches shorter. I heard the M104 is the same longblock engine as the M103 with the same fuel delivery system, except it is bored out for more displacement, and has DOHC 4 valves per cyllinder instead of SOHC 2 per cyllinder, but is essentially the same engine. Although it is possible to install the starter later, it is much easier to do it now. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. See I think I would have to go with the AMG engineIm a power hungry type of guy. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I believe the engine carrier would need to be modified. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. Has a black W201FTW vanity plate. He is an electrical wizard. Not needed anyhow. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. Doing the upgrades on an E420 is plug+play, and easily done if you have the ability to handle an engine swap. Simply put, the M103 and M104 share the same block, primary differences are the head and the injection setup. CLK, W209. I'm sure you can find a high mileage 87 TD car and just rebuild the engine and possibly even do a trans swap. The car has been completely rebuilt with upgraded suspension, brakes and drift-spec steering. The car is powered by a 3.2 L M104.992 inline-six using stock pistons, forged 144 mm rods, main girdle, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, custom dry sump system, and BorgWarner EFR 9180 turbocharger. I would also like to do suspension up grades and a EVOII kit in the future. The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. If you have an E320 sedan and want more power, start shopping for an E420 with ASR and heated seats, rust-free, in your favorite color combo. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. I believe the lotus elan used a turbocharged or supercharged 4 banger which produced nice power. I think mine should run 14's no problem at the track. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums, tongue-in-cheek - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. I believe you are correct that it came with a V6. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. Mercedes M104 make a good tuning project and with carefully chosen sports modifications like remapping, turbo upgrades and camshafts you will substantially increase your driving opportunities. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. How much power can you get out of the 16v? Take whatever "positive vibes" translates to monetarily and treat your 036 with a barrage of restorative upgrades and needed and not-so-needed service and maintenance and probably still have some money to buy $5k euro headlights. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? Each wheel is turned by upgraded axles with modified knuckles and BMW E34 hubs. MBWorld member Gen3Benz had the ambitious plan of stuffing an LS1 V8 motor under the hood of his W201. all that accumulated grease and oil. The work in the trunk involved installing a new fuel cell, fold-down radiator, expansion tank, and tubular structure. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. I suppose that would work, I'm not sure why the 2.0 steering column is different than 2.3 or 2.6. The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. Said it made around 345hp(?) Learn how your comment data is processed. The sedan rides on Yellow Racing coilovers, OZ Future wheels (179,1712), CL600 front brakes, and 300TE rear brakes. Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. Your original gearbox will work fine with the new engine, but bear in mind it's much easier to remove the gearbox and engine together than separate them in the car. whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. Hi Adriano. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Quote: Originally Posted by oldsinner111. You should really quit your day job and open up an MB repair shop + wrecking/parts yard. JavaScript is disabled. via Engine Swap Depot Would you recomend doing this swap? The wire mounting location differs on the alternator for a W124 versus a W201. I have a 3.8 V8 from a 1981 380SL in my 190. Another option is to swap in the CIS version of the M104 engine found on the earliest M104 powered cars (1990-1992 300CE and 1990-1993 300SL). The easiest swap out, would be a 90-93 300SL Engine Swap. '85 Euro 190E 2.3-16, '84 Euro 500SE, '90 300SEL, '51 Euro 170S, '15 G63 AMG. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. All new control harnesses would need to be fabricated for all of the car's systems and the battery and cables run to the trunk. Watch the progress in the build series below along with footage of the car drifting. Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. I want mercedes V8 power, or at least AMG 6 cylinder. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. __________________. I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. If it was a black 2.6, with gray cladding, that's John's car from the over on the rev. This Mercedes W124 300E called Blueberry is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. Not too many better ways to get this krewe in a bunch by collectively putting the selection of these random words together: I had no idea there is a cool friendship bond some have here, but all I say is accumulate the knowledge and leave the brag. I could make a you-tube video to document the process with lots of "Hey Guys today I'll just pop the motor in" and a mere few tea breaks later the engine will be in and it will all be easy peasy time for epic burnouts. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I saw one real nice one on the web that had a AMG 3.8 in it. Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. Alright, putting a 94 M104 into a 89 2.6 5spd W201 (Green/Black). Sweden for a dyno tune. 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